tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post3895464704203560787..comments2024-03-28T21:34:40.656-07:00Comments on WILD ABOUT HARRY: Willard's sideJohn Coxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04391313393222271260noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-65431647428498021832021-08-16T19:01:08.327-07:002021-08-16T19:01:08.327-07:00Muhammad Ali flagrantly ducked Larry Holmes when h...Muhammad Ali flagrantly ducked Larry Holmes when he fought Alfredo Evangelista and Leon Spinks. Holmes was ranked well above them and 24-0 when Ali fought Evangelista, who was 14-1-1 and still fighting 8 rounders. In fact he had just lost an 8 rounder to a second rate boxer. Leon Spinks was 6-0-1. Both were huge underdogs and Larry Holmes would have been favored to beat Ali, if anybody had a clueBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06027173621632452961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-42902339108976110132019-04-30T09:48:25.883-07:002019-04-30T09:48:25.883-07:00Baer didn't see Louis as a black man,
really....Baer didn't see Louis as a black man, <br />really. Although friends with Louis, when asked if he was hurt in his fight with the brown bomber, Baer replied that he was seeing double in the bout. "It looked like all of Harlem was in front of me. And this little ray of sunshine couldn't go through those clouds. Too many dark ones." Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10451074482883845003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-63709473616972936842018-06-24T00:40:18.839-07:002018-06-24T00:40:18.839-07:00Just saw this site and I am surprised that this Pa...Just saw this site and I am surprised that this Patrick fellow above calls my great uncle a white supremacist, yet backs off a bit in calling him a racist. I find it amazing that people call other people these kind of things without ever knowing them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-58547700385914553592011-08-17T03:30:15.364-07:002011-08-17T03:30:15.364-07:00With all due respect...not a chance if your talkin...With all due respect...not a chance if your talking fight 3. In fact I dont think Norton was marked during fight 1 or 2 either. The only mark on Nortons face, if there was a mark at all, was a very slightly puffy eye due to a Ali thumb ..but that took place after round 9 for sure. Ali's punches were pitty pat and as such did no damage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-17566172057378986902011-08-16T11:52:29.037-07:002011-08-16T11:52:29.037-07:00Not tired, not in distress, but, Ali peppered his ...Not tired, not in distress, but, Ali peppered his face all night. I said Norton looked 60 by the 9th and, facially, he did.Patrick Cullitonhttp://www.houdinisghost.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-14109937346619279052011-08-14T17:16:09.145-07:002011-08-14T17:16:09.145-07:00Norton was ready to fight 20 rounds that night. N...Norton was ready to fight 20 rounds that night. No way was he tired or in any distress by the 9th round! In fact Norton stood in his corner inbetween rounds, every round, refusing a stool. It was very close by most accounts and if anyone was tired or in any distress it was Ali since he was taking the hard shots especially to the body.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-72346300760751318392011-08-14T16:49:34.219-07:002011-08-14T16:49:34.219-07:00I remember well that tribunal. I think Sugar Ray R...I remember well that tribunal. I think Sugar Ray Robinson was on it. One person pointed out Ali had landed many more punches while Norton relied on fewer stronger punches. Joe Louis said "that was his strategy."<br />would have meant something if Norton had won a single 2 point round.<br />Norton looked 60 years old by the ninth round.Patrick Cullitonhttp://www.houdinisghost.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-50590623382298053782011-08-14T14:49:18.734-07:002011-08-14T14:49:18.734-07:00Hey, no problems, I find this boxing talk all very...Hey, no problems, I find this boxing talk all very interesting. I love hearing people discuss what they really know. :)John Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391313393222271260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-46015784167620853382011-08-14T14:35:22.791-07:002011-08-14T14:35:22.791-07:00Ali Norton III scoring
Judges 8-7, 8-7 both for A...Ali Norton III scoring<br /><br />Judges 8-7, 8-7 both for Ali<br />Ref 8-6-1 for Ali<br /><br />So Ali won on the official cards by 1 round.<br /><br />Commentators at ringside:<br /><br />10-5, 10-5 both for Norton<br />6-6-3 Draw<br /><br />Ringside press:<br /><br />75% of polled press scored the fight for Norton.<br /><br />CBS replay of fight 2 weeks later and scored by panel of 20 boxing Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-15457685651383414492011-08-14T13:48:40.752-07:002011-08-14T13:48:40.752-07:00Well, I remember the third Ali Norton fight very w...Well, I remember the third Ali Norton fight very well. Ali was champ, Norton the challenger. Ali outpointed Norton five punches to one all night. About five times a round, Norton would land--or appear to land a haymaker overhand left.<br />There were no knockdowns, no cuts. I have an appreciation of the fighting retreat, many ring fans do not. In my opinion, Ali Willy Pepped him.<br />As you knowPatrick Cullitonhttp://www.houdinisghost.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-16317394685806031642011-08-14T13:08:21.860-07:002011-08-14T13:08:21.860-07:00No...you dont know me. I just have two hobbies......No...you dont know me. I just have two hobbies...Houdini and Hwt boxing. <br /><br />Ali should have fought Norton again after nearly losing to him (75% of the writers at ringside had him losing his bout with Norton in 76). Instead he went on to fight Evangelista and Spinks who was just out of the amateurs..losing then winning before retiring. Foreman was the former champion and he never got Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-41374553610244319392011-08-14T12:17:13.439-07:002011-08-14T12:17:13.439-07:00All right, anonymous, I only know one guy with tha...All right, anonymous, I only know one guy with that kind of encyclopedic knowledge of an amazing amount of things. Come out of your corner you big Mickey. You ought to post the following on your own site.<br />http://www.houdinisghost.com/walkerwillard.html<br />P.S. Ali never ducked anybody. Jimmy Young? Norton? Gimme a break!<br />He didn't even duck Shavers.patrick Cullitonhttp://www.houdinisghost.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-39507381509227008452011-08-14T10:15:17.897-07:002011-08-14T10:15:17.897-07:00Apologies, Mr. Dixon. You are indeed one of "...Apologies, Mr. Dixon. You are indeed one of "the Greatest".<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Dixon_(boxer)John Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391313393222271260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-50595975503981980572011-08-14T09:25:48.250-07:002011-08-14T09:25:48.250-07:00None of you boxing "experts" even mentio...None of you boxing "experts" even mentioned me. Houdini and I were contemporaries. We both overcame the greatest of odds and reached the top of our respective professions. <br /><br />Neither of us let the size of our stature govern the size of our ambitions. Nor did we let our race or religion hold us back from our dreams.<br /><br />Our legacy is Inspiration.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br Ghost of George Dixonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-19302070804533815452011-08-14T07:58:27.286-07:002011-08-14T07:58:27.286-07:00Really interesting comments. Thanks guys.Really interesting comments. Thanks guys.John Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391313393222271260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-69720148862873815082011-08-14T06:38:16.467-07:002011-08-14T06:38:16.467-07:00Many feel Ali avoided a return bout against Forema...Many feel Ali avoided a return bout against Foreman as well as a 4th fight against Norton and he never gave Young a return match after nearly losing to him in '76. <br /><br />Jeffries fought several black fighters prior to winning the championship but drew the color line once champion. Jeffries had no issues fighting a black man but fell in line with all before him to forever keep the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-86089297684853792922011-08-14T01:48:06.215-07:002011-08-14T01:48:06.215-07:00I didn't call Jess Willard a racist--I called ...I didn't call Jess Willard a racist--I called him a white supremest. W.A.S.P. supremest would be more accurate. Read what he said.<br />It took guys like Max Baer, who didn't see a black man when he looked at Joe Louis, he saw a man.<br />Joe had just recently kicked Max's butt, knocking him out in four, when Lou Costello interviewed them.<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Patrick Cullitonhttp://www.houdinisghost.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-69826519562624154292011-08-13T17:03:45.250-07:002011-08-13T17:03:45.250-07:00Actually it was an unwritten rule in America that ...Actually it was an unwritten rule in America that a hwt boxing champion would never allow a black man the chance of winning the worlds hwt boxing championship. This is what was EXPECTED of the hwt champion. This is why Sullivan, Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries (the first four modern champions) all never fought a black man for the title. After Jeffries retired a Canadian Tommy Burns won the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-49238310835515209112011-08-13T13:01:43.383-07:002011-08-13T13:01:43.383-07:00Very interesting article and love Pat's additi...Very interesting article and love Pat's additional commentary. Great stuff!Carnegiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10142955905272650610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-39478662378510091862011-08-13T11:37:51.949-07:002011-08-13T11:37:51.949-07:00Wow, thanks Pat. Very interesting. (And thanks for...Wow, thanks Pat. Very interesting. (And thanks for the typo correction.) VERY interesting that Willard could have used an anti-Semitic slur against Houdini that night. That really changes things and better justifies Houdini (and the audience) going after him as he did. Very, very interesting. Thanks again.John Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391313393222271260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-21410470549102308772011-08-13T11:24:56.242-07:002011-08-13T11:24:56.242-07:00Willard was, like most white Americans of that tim...Willard was, like most white Americans of that time, a white supremest. After defeating the first black heavyweight champion, Jack Johnson, Jess Willard refused to fight three top contenders because they were black. He said he had promised some important people that a black man would never fight for the championship while he held it. Willard had equal contempt for Jews. Nothing unusual for the Patrick Cullitonhttp://www.houdinisghost.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-84751243286035999842011-08-13T11:14:16.070-07:002011-08-13T11:14:16.070-07:00I will "Best of Blog" it then. Thanks, M...I will "Best of Blog" it then. Thanks, Melbo. :)John Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391313393222271260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732721553418878547.post-78258900187777080022011-08-13T11:05:31.942-07:002011-08-13T11:05:31.942-07:00Tall man vs short man but short man's publicit...Tall man vs short man but short man's publicity machine is a bit more well-oiled. Good retort from Willard though and he threatens to bring in the lawyers at the end - excellent. I would have been disappointed if he hadn't.<br /><br />Another "best of" this one - thanks!melbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14032793912135092967noreply@blogger.com